Oct 9, 2012 3:00pm PDT
, what do you think -- mr. ryan -- steve kornacki? >> i i've always been impressed by joe biden. the reason he ended up on the ticket in 2008 is because of all those primary dietz bates, when it was hillary and obama were the stars, but the guy invariably we end up saying won those debates was joe biden. he's a strong communicator, very good in the debate setting. i expect him to press the case in a way we didn't see last week. how ryan handles that is really the $1 million question. >> steve thank you for your time tonight. >> sure. >>> catch steve on "the cycle" weekdays at 3:00 eastern right here on msnbc. >>> still ahead, was there an intervention in the romney campaign? news tonight about a big fight inside team romney. >>> rudy giuliani think about it, there is only three, a noun a verbal and 9/11 nothing else. i've been negotiating since you were in congress. if you all had been around enough -- maybe i've been around too long they forget all the wonderful things i've done -- but all siding aside -- walk around in my neighborhood or go up to scran
Oct 8, 2012 8:00pm PDT
and make mince meat of biden. >> eliot: if i'm paul ryan the first words out of my mouth is mr. vice president i want to quote you directly. the middle class has been buried for four years. you gave us your own score card on your own term. you have graded yourself as a failure. how does joe biden dig himself out of that hole. >> he says it was not just four years and the last four years the result of policies the same that mitt romney and paul ryan are trying to propose will bury the middle class. i think-- >> eliot: i think bill clinton was part of the failure too. nobody would satisfy you. time to change the captain at the helm. ryan, what is your answer if you're joe biden. >> i think something to that effect. he could joke how he doesn't always say exactly what he's trying to say or put it in the most politics terms but that's basically what you want to say. you want to say eight years of deregulation and policies that expended the inequality gap and that led to this public that led to the crisis, which led to the four years of bubbling economy and then shoot a bit to the future.
Oct 9, 2012 7:00pm EDT
r & r, picking pumpkins with his kids over the weekend. for his part, mr. biden has practiced with chris van hollen. ordering sandwiches from his favorite deli in wilmington, delaware, and lots of gatorade. he's also scouted ryan's speeches and poured into his book "young guns" written with a pair of fellow conservatives. >> i just want to make sure that when i say these things that i don't ongressman saying, no, no, no, i don't have that position or that's not the governor's position. >> reporter: many political observers discount the importance of vp debates, arguing they rarely if ever have tipped the outcome of the presidential election. that doesn't mean these meetings have been meaningless or unforgettable. in 2004, dick cheney was in a similar position, tasked with reversing momentum after john kerry was viewed as the winner in his first matchup with george w. bush. cheney attacked edwards as a sort of johnny-come-lately. >> the first time i ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight. >> reporter: there was lloyd be quayle. kennedy. >> reporter: and this from